Episode 11

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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:23:23 pm

Brenda Lowe wrote:icon_lol Soooo, everything's not starting to make sense then?

I am curious about some of your logic leaps here. You say Pat/Sean are the two biggest threats that you want out, yet you still turn down Sean's push to take out Pat? Why not let those two go head to head? What's your reasoning there?

And now you have this idol on your side. Well, on Gina's side at least. If it's not another photoshop icon_laughing And you talk bout "using it as leverage". What do you mean by this? Telling more people you have it? Or just playing it somewhere you know votes are directed?


I'm not turning down Sean's push to take out Pat. I actually agree with it a lot. But the thing is, as big of threats as Pat and Sean are, Sarah is still ridiculously wishy-washy. Even though I don't trust Sean and Pat 100%, I think I know where they stand. Sarah... I literally have no idea. Ever. She's a complete wildcard. This makes her the biggest threat to my game (plus the fact that she keeps going back to Sean like an abused spouse is annoying too). The thing is that after Sarah and Pat are booted, Gina and I want to take out Sean after that. To do that, we need to earn the trust of Linda and Lex. Lex is supposedly uncomfortable booting Pat at this TC and if we boot Sarah and Pat and stay true to our word, we could possibly get them to help us take out Sean after that. Basically, getting rid of Sarah first earns us trust in places we need to earn it to make the further goals work out. Also, she's a huge immunity threat.

As for the idol... Right now we've decided to tell absolutely NO ONE that Gina has it. Everyone is literally 100% clueless about where that idol lies at the moment. Like, Pat told Gina that she was the alternate boot when Kim P left because she was deemed least likely to have the idol. icon_laughing We mostly want to use it for leverage to get rid of Sean. For example, if we were to boot Sarah and Pat next we would probably come under some heat at final 6. Gina said something about saying publicly that we're playing the idol on one of us and trying to force the others into booting Sean. We'll see though.

Mia Galeotalanza wrote:Yeah, what Brenda said! Tell me the logic behind keeping a threat around over someone that you describe to be so wishy washy and unsure?


I never have a clue where Sarah stands and she constantly makes boneheaded decisions. That makes her more threatening than anyone else in the game.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 5:56:19 pm

Okay so let's go down the line. You want Sarah gone, and then at final 7 you want Pat gone and then Sean at 6.

You have Sean and Sarah to take out Pat this vote if you want to, what makes you think that Sean will be with you guys if you don't vote with him for this round? How will you guys have the numbers to take out Patricia at final 7 if you boot Sarah?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:21:24 pm

Jeff Probst wrote:Okay so let's go down the line. You want Sarah gone, and then at final 7 you want Pat gone and then Sean at 6.

You have Sean and Sarah to take out Pat this vote if you want to, what makes you think that Sean will be with you guys if you don't vote with him for this round? How will you guys have the numbers to take out Patricia at final 7 if you boot Sarah?


Yes, that's what I want.

We won't lose Sean because the way I've been describing things to him I've made it sound like Gina is more skeptical of booting Pat than she really is. So Sean would be in on voting for Sarah this round. Everyone would be. Basically the deal we want to make with Sean is Sarah first, then Pat. Then next round, Sean/Linda/Lex/Gina/me would all vote for Pat.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:34:29 pm

Has Sean said that he would be in for voting out Sarah or you're just assuming he would be?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:05:16 pm

Partially both? He hasn't said it in this past round but he's said it plenty before in the past few rounds. I mean, he split the vote on her last round, why wouldn't he be okay with voting her out now? So yeah I guess it's a bit of an assumption lol. If everyone else is in I can't see why he wouldn't be.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Mia Galeotalanza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:44:58 pm

Okay, so you've described Sarah as wishy-washy, and Sean and Pat as threats. Take me through your logic on this: Is it better to get rid of someone who is wishy-washy first, or better to get rid of a threat first?

Basically, what will a wishy-washy player do with one extra round in the game, and what will a threat do with one extra round in the game?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:06:27 pm

Mia Galeotalanza wrote:Okay, so you've described Sarah as wishy-washy, and Sean and Pat as threats. Take me through your logic on this: Is it better to get rid of someone who is wishy-washy first, or better to get rid of a threat first?

Basically, what will a wishy-washy player do with one extra round in the game, and what will a threat do with one extra round in the game?


I think it's better to get rid of someone wishy-washy first. Not only better, but also easier. Sarah is still a threat, just a different kind of threat. Sean and Pat are strong players, which makes them threatening vs. Sarah who is unpredictable, which makes her threatening. I'd rather keep in the enemy that I know (I think I know where Sean & Pat stand right now) than the one I don't (Sarah is way too difficult to read).
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Mia Galeotalanza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:48:10 pm

Where do Sean and Pat stand right now, then?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:02:24 pm

Sean is aligned with Linda and Lex most closely and also seems to have Sarah under his influence. Pat is (most likely) true to her alliance with me/Gabe/Gina right now. Sean's relationship with Sarah is hindering things right now. We're going to have to try and sway Linda and/or Lex from forcing a tie between Sarah and Pat and just voting out Sarah. ugh
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:11:14 pm

But Sean approached you to vote out Patricia.

I know we're grilling you tonight but it's so complicated. I want to ask you so many things but dont want to lead you on or reveal anything you may not know, so maybe just tell me all that you do know so i can ask you more about it and find out what you're really thinking... fair?

What is the benefit of keeping Patricia around over Sarah for this next boot? Do you have intentions of working with them in the future or do you not want to betray them or what?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:22:37 pm

Jeff Probst wrote:But Sean approached you to vote out Patricia.

I know we're grilling you tonight but it's so complicated. I want to ask you so many things but dont want to lead you on or reveal anything you may not know, so maybe just tell me all that you do know so i can ask you more about it and find out what you're really thinking... fair?

What is the benefit of keeping Patricia around over Sarah for this next boot? Do you have intentions of working with them in the future or do you not want to betray them or what?


Yeah, I get it. This round is ridiculously complicated and I'm sure I'm probably still in a bad position after everything that's happened so far this round lol.

The benefit of keeping Patricia over Sarah is that the other four (Sean/Sarah/Lex/Linda) are tighter as a group than I previously thought and if we give them the numbers by voting Pat next, we could easily be fucked. Honestly, getting rid of Pat at all seems like a kinda stupid move because I didn't realize that the other four were close as they are - especially with Sarah. Maybe the best move is Sarah then Sean and THEN Pat? IDK. I'm really just as confused as you guys are and I can't really give you much in terms of answers because I'm constantly considering new things and reevaluating the situation. Plus the way you guys are addressing me makes me feel like you guys think I'm being stupid.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:42:52 pm

icon_lol icon_lol No I for one am embarrassed that I don't know more, I feel like i should be omniscient but I'm utterly lost. XD
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:47:04 pm

LOL well here's what I'm trying to do now. I want Sarah out now. My goal is to convince Linda/Lex to vote with us for her with a promise that we vote out Pat next. Basically I want Sarah before Pat because I'm afraid of giving Sarah/Lex/Linda/Sean the majority.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:48:04 pm

Sounds like a plan. What of Gabe after Patty is voted out?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:49:01 pm

I'm hoping Gabe would stick with us, at least if only to vote threatening Sean after that. If not, well... F6 is the last time the idol can be played. Balls to the wall time!
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:57:27 pm

Linda just agreed to vote out Sarah and then Patricia. If the Sarah vote goes accordingly and she leaves then things should go smoothly - Sarah will leave first. Then Gina & I have been talking to both sides and Linda's group would be voting Pat next while Pat and Gabe would be voting Sean next and if it all goes smoothly, Gina and I would have the choice between booting the two biggest threats left in the game.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:20:00 am

Lex and Linda are going along but now Sean is throwing a shit fit. Hopefully it won't matter. This just proves that i was right in targeting Sarah first, he's much too close to her.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:33:21 am

According to Lex, Patricia is pushing for me extremely hard to go at the second tribal. I've officially been mindfucked to the supreme and no longer have a grasp on this game. I'm tired of trying to pretend I know what people are thinking or doing because I clearly do not and never will.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Tue Jul 09, 2013 1:58:06 am

It seems like enough people are on board for voting Sarah first and Patricia second that things should go through, even though Patricia is targeting me pretty hard for the second vote. Gabe gave me a fake idol lol. Fingers crossed for everything.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lindsey » Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:51:23 am

Vote #1 goes accordingly. Now just gotta pray Pat doesn't win immunity.
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