Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Sean » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:25:38 am

Sean wrote:
Jeff Probst wrote:However many questions you want, or a statement or whatever, it's your time.



you may regret this. icon_shifty
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:26:32 am

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:26:47 am

Is there a reason that every time the hosts would type Lex, it would be typed as leX or LEx or lEx or something?
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Linda » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:27:46 am

Gabriel wrote:Is there a reason that every time the hosts would type Lex, it would be typed as leX or LEx or lEx or something?


they can't type :P
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:28:10 am

EDIT #10

Congratulations first of all for making it to the end! While I'm definitely disappointed I couldn't be there myself, where I'm sitting is the second best spot because now I can unleash my grand juror speech (which Brenda asked me to cut down icon_evil ) and questions icon_chaos . The most important thing I want you guys to know is I DO NOT want to hear what you may "think" I want to hear, apologies or regret on what you may have done or could have done to change the game. I want to hear how you guys KICKED MY ASS and why you deserve to win. For the love of God don't be like Amanda when you answer these, or say something like it was an emotional rollercoaster. Say "I'm the best and kicked all your butts and this is why" not "Sorry for voting you off" or anything even along those lines. Be firm and be confident with your answers. I want to be impressed. icon_cool


My vote is still open to being changed, and while I did have someone in mind, I don't know who I am voting for anymore. My vote is live, and I'll explain to each of you why.

Lastly, I want longish detailed answers (the jury is going to hate me for saying that) unless there's no way for you to make the answer long. I'm not known for writing small amounts of stuff like Kimmy is icon_razz and I expect the same respect/treatment in return. I am NOT bitter over my elimination moreso than other events which took place but I would still like to know the answers to what I ask you guys out of clarification on certain key elements in the game.

Again, I want to reiterate I don't blame you guys for voting me out, but if I'm a tiny bit cranky it's because of how my elimination was pretty much one of the worst ways to go (I had no time to talk the whole day, missed immunity AND missed tribal) or because somebody didn't capitalize a letter when they should have. Although I think most people would agree with me the manner in which I got eliminated is hella unlucky lol. I wish I knew what would have happened if I won immunity that night or had more time to talk with people, but we will never truly know because Gabe might not have messed up while counting to 2013 if I had been there, and I don't know if I would have been able to sway people had I had more time to talk with them. Guess that's just the way things work though, life is strange sometimes.


Linda

Well... I'm not sure what to say to you. I think you had the weakest case right now out of all 3 of the people in the finals tonight and I don't agree with many of the choices you made in the game at all, especially when you seemingly became very apathetic after you found out Lindsey was lying to you a lot. I think Sean and I did almost all of the work from that point onward and I don't think either of us (Sean & I) are very happy with how things went even though we don't show it on the outside. However your answers tonight have been probably the best. I had questions for you before but they got answered already. Although I still have two left over:

What is the background behind this quote?

Linda wrote:
Mia wrote:So, my questioning is wrong then, Linda? A normal person would scoff at this notion, but as I host, I only see a question opportunity!

So why don't you tell me WHERE I'm wrong. Are certain pairs planning on splitting up? Is there a hidden deal that we don't know about? Or what?


I can say confidently that at least one pair is not as strong as they think. A heartfealt plea sent before someone went on a plane proved that


I also want to know what your strategy was coming into this game and how you executed/modified/adapted that strategy over the course of the game. Also just because your segment is the shortest, it doesn't mean I won't vote for you if you give me a reason to, but I was paired with you almost the entire game and don't have much questions to ask ya. :p


Lindsey

I definitely like you as a person, but I have to say that the fact you were so quick to order Gina to idol me out in the Sean vote was surprising, to say the least... It definitely hurt me that we had such long conversations before that, and long conversations about strategy, that you would have idol'd me out without a second thought, and this is all even though we had talked with each other 1:1 (at least, it was from my side) about the Sean vote. I didn't mention how I felt, but all I ever was to you was genuine and completely honest (except for the F6 vote where I fibbed about the Gabe vote, which didn't even matter anyway in the end) although I know I'm partly to blame for trusting you after you backstabbed Linda.
I don't care about me getting voted out and I'm not bitter at all about it, but after Sean's vote I felt really manipulated whether or not it was your intention. However, it didn't surprise me when you said you'd probably vote me and I'm glad you were honest with me about that icon_glare .

Also, I don't think your argument "I had to fight harder to get to the F3" is very valid. You were never in trouble at nuMariche since the original Tamanaco 6 had planned to throw challenges to vote off the minority from the start. :/ and the reason you had to fight harder to get to the end was because Gabe put himself in a better position to get to the end, at least IMO.

I didn't want to vote for you because I saw you as a villain with one-dimensional gameplay (social game) and your answers were also one-dimensional, at least to me. With that being said, here's my question(s) for you:

What was your game plan/strategy coming into this game, and how did you execute/modify/adapt that strategy? Honestly speaking for me I have the impression your gameplay was one-dimensional (not showing much adaptability other than the swap), lucky in the fact that you dodged so many votes and, well... heinous because of what you did to Linda and your manipulation of me. I really like you as a person but I absolutely detest your gameplay. However I am STILL open to voting for you if you give me a satisfactory answer to this question.

Also, I'd like to know how you convinced Gabe to vote for me at F5, what was your argument? And tell me why you wanted to vote me off first instead of Gina, it's not like I was a challenge threat (and I was also going to be busy the entire week) Q.Q .


Gabriel

Don't post random stuff like that weird haircut and keep answering questions please. Your answer here viewtopic.php?f=45&t=418&p=14883#p14880 was very impressive, but this answer viewtopic.php?f=45&t=418&start=160#p15144 was god awful. I wouldn't even say you shot yourself in the foot with that answer, you pretty much shot yourself in the chest.


Gabriel wrote:Lex Van den Berghe. - Lex Van den Berghe. (Lex, VandenBerghe.)


Remember I was a latecomer though? I'm pretty sure I told you that. I took over ex-Lex's avatar, it was never assigned to me. Apparently ex-Lex thought of himself as a schemer of sorts.

Also



I'm sure you got my last message and I hope you keep it in mind (or kept) because I meant everything I said there even though you ended up voting for me. To me your mastery of almost every aspect of the game is impeccable and I hope your FTC performance matches up. The fact that you only received one vote the entire game and played like Rob Cesternino is a huge A+. In fact I'd argue (and, well.. did) you played the entire jury including me.
Here's my question for you:


Explain to me your strategy coming into the game and how you executed/modified/adapted that strategy. I think overall you played a near-perfect game and you definitely kicked my ass the hardest out of the 3 sitting in the F3.. It's the steel toes... icon_blink Also I'd like to know why you changed your vote to me because of Lindsey's persuasion, tell me the logic behind keeping Gina instead of me (I proved myself pretty awful at challenges and wasn't going to be able to compete in the FTC due to being in Vegas, if you wanted to vote me out you could have done it at F4 almost assuredly. That's the one thing I'm confused about in your strategy).
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:28:27 am

Gabriel wrote:Is there a reason that every time the hosts would type Lex, it would be typed as leX or LEx or lEx or something?

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:28:54 am

Oops, I didn't mean to post that as Edit #10, I was afraid Jeff would post that instead of me for taking too much time to edit it after Sean asked his questions. That's also why there is a blank space at Gabriel's section.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:31:55 am

Gabe, you need to redeem yourself with your answers, posting that person-compared-to-Survivor contestant was lazy and poor. You can't compare applications with how they actually played in-game.

Lindsey, IDK what to say to you, except texting and driving isn't safe. I don't blame you for having lackluster answers because you were typing on your phone.

Linda, you were the last person I expected to vote for coming in, but your answers were some of the best.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Vecepia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:33:31 am

Jeff Probst wrote:
Gabriel wrote:Is there a reason that every time the hosts would type Lex, it would be typed as leX or LEx or lEx or something?

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim J » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:34:11 am

Lex wrote:Linda, you were the last person I expected to vote for coming in, but your answers were some of the best.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:36:03 am

God I love that GIF I posted which Gina reposted the night I got voted out, it fits how I felt at the time I got voted out so perfectly. (The thumbs up GIF)

plus it's from my favorite movie of all time.

Also the ending of my speech got cut off apparently, I said "Thanks everyone and hope I can get some good answers icon_popcorn ".
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Linda » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:36:13 am

Alright, to your first question, the background is that Gabe/Lex weren't strong because he did plan on voting you off at some point(the plane being a reference to you obviously). The thing is, it was also meant to be a trick for Gina, since up until near the end we were planning on blindsiding her first. If you notice at that tribal council, I never directly said I was voting you, I merely made inferences. This was to make Gina comfortable yet show that I was doing that at the same time, not trying to get your jury vote "cuz I didn't vote for you". Also, you had a questioning reaction to the random.org thing I talked about, so I will talk about that here too. Essentially Lindsey went to Gabe 10 minutes before tribal, told him to vote you, yet it wasn't clear if I was or not, so according to him, he was confused and just used random.org to determine who he was voting for, which ended up being you. If not, you would have been in the Final 4, as I voted Gina. I don't think that round really benefits any of the F3's game, because I voted wrong, Lindsey couldn't fully convince Gabe to go with her, and Gabe used random.org to PICK A VOTE

As for your concerns about "you and Sean doing the heavy lifting", do you remember me saying I'm not sure if I trust Patty/Gabe and I think we 4 should vote Gina instead to be safe? Admittedly I think I brought it up to Sean in private PMs first, and then it reached the group PM, but that idea was nixed. So at that point I felt I didn't have say, so as Sean said, I would "let myself be used" up until the point I had to get rid of you guys for my game.

And how I came in to play is actually a topic of discussion in my confessional which pissed Mia off(NO YO ARE YOUR OWN PLAYER DONT COMPARE TO REAL LIFE PLAYERS BA HUMBUG icon_lol). I actually was determined to come into this game and play like a Sophie, finding an alliance, sticking with it, not doing something stupid for the sake of makin a move, and talk people out of stupid moves too. But in the end by the merge I had actually evolved into a combination of Sandra and Lill. Pearl Islands for the win! icon_lol. Essentially I was scrappy, adaptive, and not targeted when in the minority and able to get myself into majorities, while still being a bit of an emotional loose cannon with some decision making abilities.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:37:36 am

Explain to me your strategy coming into the game and how you executed/modified/adapted that strategy. I think overall you played a near-perfect game and you definitely kicked my ass the hardest out of the 3 sitting in the F3.. It's the steel toes... Also I'd like to know why you changed your vote to me because of Lindsey's persuasion, tell me the logic behind keeping Gina instead of me (I proved myself pretty awful at challenges and wasn't going to be able to compete in the FTC due to being in Vegas, if you wanted to vote me out you could have done it at F4 almost assuredly. That's the one thing I'm confused about in your strategy).


Thanks for the kind words and advice, Lex. It means a lot. But I definitely kicked your ass. icon_wub

My strategy coming into the game is actually the reason I might not win. It was to be social. It was to be well liked and perceived and to have a hand on everyone. I learned early on by bonding with people like Patricia, Sean, and Gina that I couldn't do that like I'd expected, which is why my social game wasn't nearly as strong as I wanted it to be. So I adapted the strategy by making it more strategical. Some strategies are to dominate in challenges, some are to be really social, some are to be very strategic, and some are balances. I want to look at mine as a balance. I figured if I had an okay social game but a great strategic game, it would allow me to get the votes to win this game in the end, even if it was close. I didn't have to adapt my strategy at the merge. The only time I adapted it was when I realized that I was getting really close with people and that it would end up hurting me. The rest was exactly what I wanted to do, other than the realization that Patricia was someone I couldn't have beaten and I took her out. Same for you, I suppose. There was a time where I honestly wanted to make the final 3 with you because of our friendship, but I kept repeating to myself mentally that I needed to play smart, and eventually it let me realize that playing smart meant that you needed to leave, and so I voted you out.

Why did I change my vote to you? Well, I lied when I said I random.org'd it. That was partially to keep Linda thinking that I would be an advocate to taking her to the end if she were to get in a position of deciding, or something like that, and it was also to appease Lindsey. I knew that she was most likely the one that was going to be the deciding factor in who made it to the final 3, as I wouldn't be around on the day of the final 4 tribal council to scheme and plot and whatnot. So I made sure to make her happy.

Also, knowing that the final immunity challenge was going to be potentially the night of the F5 tribal council, I had faith that Lindsey and I could beat Gina and she would still leave. Sucks that I slipped up after putting the most effort in, but everything did still work out.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:38:45 am

I'm going to redo the question with the comparisons. I just really feel/felt that I don't have a shot at winning this after repeatedly having negative emotes thrown at me.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:38:47 am

Linda wrote:Essentially Lindsey went to Gabe 10 minutes before tribal, told him to vote you...



If this is true Lindsey then that was seriously an underhanded move. It's like kicking someone in the balls in a street brawl, you can do it but it's very unethical... :/


Thanks for the answers though Linda.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:39:15 am

Gabriel wrote:I'm going to redo the question with the comparisons. I just really feel/felt that I don't have a shot at winning this after repeatedly having negative emotes thrown at me.


Believe me, you do. Just give better answers.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:40:47 am

Is it still possible for me to go through questions that I already answered and re-answer them so that I'm pleased with the result?

Because I want to.

Namely, Sean's and Sarah's, and possibly Patricia's.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:41:44 am

Okay I have to ask you not to do that. We've never had a situation like this before in 19 seasons of hosting, but for the first time a juror is asking a finalists to redo answers that he knows the other jurors weren't happy with.

I can't allow that I'm sorry Gabe...
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:42:26 am

Gabriel wrote:My strategy coming into the game is actually the reason I might not win. It was to be social. It was to be well liked and perceived and to have a hand on everyone.



This is similar to what I did and look where it got me. icon_unsure I don't blame you for not having a very strong social game personally. But that's because you talked with me a lot.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 4:42:35 am

Hmph.

Well, will we be able to give at least a final words sort of thing after the questioning is over?
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