Ongoing Tribal Council Commentary

[Lex]

If we had tried to save you, Sean/V/I/Linda and you would have been voted out next, you're looking for reasons to blame me because you're still very bitter about getting eliminated :/ may I remind you I got up a 4 am, went to the airport and found out my flight was canceled, no replacement flight so I had to catch one later that day which was delayed, then my conecting flight was delayed, then I arrived at Vegas too late to go to the dinner event I was planning to go to and also found out I had been voted out.
And yet I'm still not bitter about my elimination, but I'm definitely not happy with other things. You need to get some things straight and face facts...

[Kim J]

then I arrived at Vegas too late to go to the dinner event I was planning to go to and also found out I had been voted out.

Shit shit, wait, you were in Vegas? Were you there on the 7th-11th?

And also, back to the point, theres no proof of that happening. Kim P, Lindsey, and Clarence were all 100% down on a Tamanaco alliance dealio going on if I lasted. Pluss, Sarah was voting with me on that one vote against Sean/Vee.

I am bitter though. I can agree to that. It's just hard having all these feelings bubbled inside of me for so long, and not being able to bring it up till now.

[Lex]

I have more reasons to be bitter about my elimination and yet I'm not is what I'm saying.

And you don't know that for certain, you can only believe what you're told or want to believe. The plan was dropped by both our new tribe and theirs, Lindsey/Kim P were already in with Gina/Pat/Gabe, there was no possibility of pagonging.

[Kim J]

I have more reasons to be bitter about my elimination and yet I'm not is what I'm saying.

And you don't know that for certain, you can only believe what you're told or want to believe. The plan was dropped by both our new tribe and theirs, Lindsey/Kim P were already in with Gina/Pat/Gabe, there was no possibility of pagonging.

Kim P was almost BEGGING for the deal to still be good (according to a mail). And you actually have no idea what Lindsey was wondering about that plan.

And your bitter about your elimination? Oh really? Because of a flight change? Life happens bro. Even if you won that immunity, it wouldn't have guarenteed you to last much longer in this game.

You "lost" because of a challenge, I lost because of some allies of whom are too self-preferred to even CONSIDER an apology.

You don't have to apologize for doing what you did, but I'm still a person, and in the end, I was backstabbed by nearly EVERYONE in my former clique. Including you. Is an apology too hard for you to muster up?

And actually, don't blame Lindsey/Kim P for having a backup plan. The real person who ended the Tamanaco alliance is you and Linda premerge, and you know it.

[Lex]

You didn't even read my message. And I DID apologize to you before you got voted out, but your selective memory doesn't remember that.

I'm not going to apologize again. Voting people out is nothing personal =/ I know that, Pat knows that, and so does nearly everbody, you weren't voted out because we didn't like you.

Stop blaming me for your elimination, you have to realize 13 people were going to be gone anyway, Linda voted me out and I'm not mad at her at all because that's the way the cards are dealt, and I know I didn't lobby to her to keep myself in anyways. You didn't do anything in terms of strategy and it showed after Frank was voted out, he acted like you were his puppet the entire game he was in.

You're wrong about my elimination, had I won immunity that night I would have been sitting in the F3 right now, it's not my fault my flights got cancelled, then delayed, then delayed, then I missed an important evening event, then I found out Linda vote me out that night. Am I mad about my day? Yes. Am I bitter? No. It's a game and people will do what they think will help them win.

I didn't hear anything about Kim P wanting to keep you, but we barely talked at all the entire game.

[Lex]

Lindsey did not talk to Linda or I about saving you at all, I know you want to believe he was trying to save you and couldn't but he didn't try to save you. Linda actually TRIED to save you by talking to other people. Lindsey didn't do anything except tell you how much he liked you and say he would try to save you to guarantee your vote right now.

[Kim P]

Yeah most of me and Lindsey getting in with Mariche during the swap was to guarantee we didn't go home before the merge. Had NuMariche lost, Clarence would've went for sure.

[Kim J]

Lindsey did not talk to Linda or I about saving you at all, I know you want to believe he was trying to save you and couldn't but he didn't try to save you. Linda actually TRIED to save you by talking to other people. Lindsey didn't do anything except tell you how much he liked you and say he would try to save you to guarantee your vote right now.

Lindsey at least voted with me, Kim P, and Sarah.

Or maybe it was Gina... too long ago.

Regardless, my "selective memory" remembers you apologizing for not telling me about the Cacique incident. NEVER for voting me out, and backstabbing me twice.

[Kim J]

Stop blaming me for your elimination, you have to realize 13 people were going to be gone anyway, Linda voted me out and I'm not mad at her at all because that's the way the cards are dealt, and I know I didn't lobby to her to keep myself in anyways. You didn't do anything in terms of strategy and it showed after Frank was voted out, he acted like you were his puppet the entire game he was in.

Linda voted you out when there was much less than half of this cast left. If you had voted me out at, I don't know, final 10 at least, I would understand better.

And again, the plan was to oust Sean or Vecepia. If you and Linda were willing to show the same effort in our alliance as I was, then the vote could've fallen 6-6. Then, on the revote, Clarence might've voted differently.

[Lex]

I didn't backstab you twice. Just because we didn't let you in on our plan it doesn't mean we backstabbed you. If that is really your definition of a backstab, then everyone in this game has backstabbed you. We backstabbed Frank because he was planning to backstab me.

Lindsey voted with you brcause he knew you were getting eliminated anyway. And it is not our damn fault you got eliminated, it is your own for being Frank's puppet all of pre-merge and then getting screwed when you had nobody to do the strategical work for you. We could not trust you premerge because you were Frank's puppet and we were certain you would run to him if we told you about it. And we could not trust you after the merge not only because of how you were already angry at Linda and me but because I didn't want to trust you with anything because I barely knew you. All you ever sent me was 1-4 line messages. Everybody I have talked to here (Pat, Sean, Lindsey, Linda, Gabe, Gina, General, Frank and Vecepia to some extent) can verify I sent long messages instead of half-assed messages like Kim P. sent or what you sent.

We were not willing to break our deal with Sean, he seemingly had two idols at the time we made the deal with him and it is not our fault he didn't get exposed that night, if Frank had either 1) voted him or 2) not played up the fact he was switching sides because we were voting GENERAL we would have been fine, I'm done trying to satisfy you because you are too naive to realize everything that has happened and refuse to accept that you could have prevented your elimination if you had been willing to put more effort into the game. Your bloodlust for me will never be sated.

[Kim J]

I didn't backstab you twice. Just because we didn't let you in on our plan it doesn't mean we backstabbed you. If that is really your definition of a backstab, then everyone in this game has backstabbed you. We backstabbed Frank because he was planning to backstab me.

Fine, fine.

[quote-"Lex"] Lindsey voted with you brcause he knew you were getting eliminated anyway. And it is not our damn fault you got eliminated, it is your own for being Frank's puppet all of pre-merge and then getting screwed when you had nobody to do the strategical work for you. We could not trust you premerge because you were Frank's puppet and we were certain you would run to him if we told you about it. And we could not trust you after the merge not only because of how you were already angry at Linda and me but because I didn't want to trust you with anything because I barely knew you. All you ever sent me was 1-4 line messages. Everybody I have talked to here (Pat, Sean, Lindsey, Linda, Gabe, Gina, General, Frank and Vecepia to some extent) can verify I sent long messages instead of half-assed messages like Kim P. sent or what you sent.[/quote]
Oh, you're telling me how I played my game? I let Frank do all of the dirty work for a reason: It'd be easy to talk people into voting him out at final 5/6. Not final 13. After the swap, I began a road trip and wasn't near solid internet for about 3 days. I couldn't really risk making big moves myself, because I wouldn't be online to facilitate it.

You have no right to tell me how I felt and what I was going through. At merge, sure, I was mad at you and Linda. But I also understand that this game has to be played and moves have to be made. I wasn't mad enough to wan't you guys out of this game.

Don't act like you know everything. The fact that you're assuming everything I did, and the fact that you're willing to write "An essay worth of information for every tribal council" as your speech in this finale just proves how much of a self obsessed asshole you are, Lex. I tried to get to know everyone on my tribe EVEN THOUGH I WAS IMMUNE ANYWAYS. You weren't online preswap enough to talk to me or get to know me. And I don't recall AFTER swap that you tried to get to know me still.

Just because you send log messages doesn't mean shit, Lex. The fact that you think it means anything just shows that you think you're more intelligent then you really are.

[Kim J]

I didn't backstab you twice. Just because we didn't let you in on our plan it doesn't mean we backstabbed you. If that is really your definition of a backstab, then everyone in this game has backstabbed you. We backstabbed Frank because he was planning to backstab me.

Fine, fine.

Lindsey voted with you brcause he knew you were getting eliminated anyway. And it is not our damn fault you got eliminated, it is your own for being Frank's puppet all of pre-merge and then getting screwed when you had nobody to do the strategical work for you. We could not trust you premerge because you were Frank's puppet and we were certain you would run to him if we told you about it. And we could not trust you after the merge not only because of how you were already angry at Linda and me but because I didn't want to trust you with anything because I barely knew you. All you ever sent me was 1-4 line messages. Everybody I have talked to here (Pat, Sean, Lindsey, Linda, Gabe, Gina, General, Frank and Vecepia to some extent) can verify I sent long messages instead of half-assed messages like Kim P. sent or what you sent.

Oh, you're telling me how I played my game? I let Frank do all of the dirty work for a reason: It'd be easy to talk people into voting him out at final 5/6. Not final 13. After the swap, I began a road trip and wasn't near solid internet for about 3 days. I couldn't really risk making big moves myself, because I wouldn't be online to facilitate it.

You have no right to tell me how I felt and what I was going through. At merge, sure, I was mad at you and Linda. But I also understand that this game has to be played and moves have to be made. I wasn't mad enough to wan't you guys out of this game.

Don't act like you know everything. The fact that you're assuming everything I did, and the fact that you're willing to write "An essay worth of information for every tribal council" as your speech in this finale just proves how much of a self obsessed asshole you are, Lex. I tried to get to know everyone on my tribe EVEN THOUGH I WAS IMMUNE ANYWAYS. You weren't online preswap enough to talk to me or get to know me. And I don't recall AFTER swap that you tried to get to know me still.

Just because you send log messages doesn't mean shit, Lex. The fact that you think it means anything just shows that you think you're more intelligent then you really are.

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[Kim J]

Also, the fact that you think my ONLY alliance was with Frank in this game just shows how little you know about me, yet you act like you know my whole game story.

I had a 5 person majority alliance with Kim P, Linda, Lindsey, Frank, and myself.

I had a 4 person alliance with you, Clarence, Frank, and myself.

A 3 person alliance with Diane, Big Tom, and myself.

I had a person duo with Clarence, as well as a friendly dealing (but not a finalized alliance) with Kim P and Lindsey.

And finally, my alliance with Frank.

So don't act smug, telling me that my downfall was being allied with one person and then losing. I was allied with a majority of the Tamanaco's. The tribe swap, which I caused, was my downfall. Don't tell me that me what my issue was.

[Sarah]

idec, I'm better than all of you.

[Kim J]

idec, I'm better than all of you.

Obviously

[Gina]

idec, I'm better than all of you.

Sarah seething love!

[Kim P]

Lex tbh your lucky Old Tamanaco didn't lose again because your ass would've been gone pre-swap.

[Lex]

Lex tbh your lucky Old Tamanaco didn't lose again because your ass would've been gone pre-swap.

I don't disagree with this. But the game would have been much different if ex-Lex hadn't dropped out or if I had joined the first day instead of 6 days in.

[Kim J]

Lex tbh your lucky Old Tamanaco didn't lose again because your ass would've been gone pre-swap.

I don't disagree with this. But the game would have been much different if ex-Lex hadn't dropped out or if I had joined the first day instead of 6 days in.

I don't really see how so. Lex being gone didn't stop the plethora of alliances being formed. You might've muscled your way into a small alliance at one point.

[Lex]

Lex tbh your lucky Old Tamanaco didn't lose again because your ass would've been gone pre-swap.

I don't disagree with this. But the game would have been much different if ex-Lex hadn't dropped out or if I had joined the first day instead of 6 days in.

I don't really see how so. Lex being gone didn't stop the plethora of alliances being formed. You might've muscled your way into a small alliance at one point.

If you really believe this, I'd like to see you join a game 6 days late and make it as far as I did. The fact that I joined the game late was a disadvantage because I had to start from scratch from day 6. Everybody else started from scratch at day 1. I'm completely stumped that you actually think nothing would have been different if I had been here from the start instead of six days in. If I got voted out because I joined the game late, whatever, I can't do anything about it.

We had plenty of chances to talk but you only sent me 1-3 liners. Don't try to say there was not enough time because we were in the same tribe for around two weeks. I really don't want to continue this argument because it will never be settled, and I'm sure you don't either.