Winner Discussion Thread

[Vecepia]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

[Kim P]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

Hate to break it to you sister but you weren't a threat.

[Sarah]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

Hate to break it to you sister but you weren't a threat.

truth.

[Kim J]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

Furthermore, he didn't talk to half of this cast. It's more then enough reason to decide my vote about him. I have more conflictions about Linda/Lindsey then I do about Gabe/Lindsey... that's sad, isn't it.

[Lex]

How about we let everyone make their own decisions, particularly after being given their time to address the final three.

They can do that if they want to, I'm sure everyone's opinions will change (maybe just a bit) after talking to the F3, but there's so much people don't know about them that others do... and that goes both ways for Lindsey/Gabe. I think people are voting Lindsey right now just because they like her more (aka social game) even though Gabe was the smartest player.

I beg you not to vote for Lindsey, even if you don't want to vote Gabe, she played such a villainous game it will seriously be demoralizing and disgusting if she wins at FTC =/

... You're not voting for her because sh's a VILLAIN? Honey... This is Survivor. We're not on Redneck Island where it can be excused because everyone's religious... The point of the game is that you have to fight and lie to people to get here.

Don't fucking call me that. And of course, that's obvious, but everyone here knows I was one of the least duplicitous players in the entire game and the fact that Lindsey was willing to manipulate even me is cruel. For me it's like voting for Russell to win. I can actually respect Jon because he controlled the entire game, and he was funny at times, right now I really feel like Lindsey took me in, backstabbed me, then threw me off a cliff to sharks after I gave him gift-wrapped shark bait.

I beg you not to vote for Lindsey, even if you don't want to vote Gabe, she played such a villainous game it will seriously be demoralizing and disgusting if she wins at FTC =/

Lol. How can you say that with a straight face when Gabe backstabbed just as many people, if not more than Lindsey?

Lindsey manipulated people, Gabe didn't, while he may not have talked much he was one of the more genuine players in the game as well... at least for me he was.

[Vecepia]

Pretty sure Gabe and Pat flipped because they felt I was in better social standing in the alliance of 6 then they were. They didn't want to finish 5th and 6th. It's better than being voted out for being hated by literally everyone.

[Kim J]

You say she "manipulated" people. How? She was literally delightful to talk to. Even if she was faking it, she at least gave me SOME benefit of the doubt. I respect that. My mind is more then made up now.

[Holly Hoffman]

How about we let everyone make their own decisions, particularly after being given their time to address the final three.

They can do that if they want to, I'm sure everyone's opinions will change (maybe just a bit) after talking to the F3, but there's so much people don't know about them that others do... and that goes both ways for Lindsey/Gabe. I think people are voting Lindsey right now just because they like her more (aka social game) even though Gabe was the smartest player.

Discussion is fine. But in the end everyone will have their own reasons to vote for who they want. What I didn't like was "I beg you to vote for..." and that's why I said something. Let's at least keep this to a civil discussion rather than attacking people for having certain opinions.

[Kim P]

Awww looks like wittle Lex is bitter! And lying to people straight to their face and completely ignoring them as if we weren't worth his breath is just as bad as manipulation.

[Lex]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

I can understand why they want to vote Lindsey but to me she's a true villain =/ I know the rest of you can't tell and I wish I could say what our conversations were like.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

This is simply incorrect, how can you say something like this when you got voted out almost instantly after the merge? Everybody who has talked with Gabe KNOWS how powerful he was/is and how much he actually worked to get to where he is now.

[Lex]

Pretty sure Gabe and Pat flipped because they felt I was in better social standing in the alliance of 6 then they were. They didn't want to finish 5th and 6th. It's better than being voted out for being hated by literally everyone.

^ This is what happened, and we were sure if we didn't blindside Pat at the vote Pat left we would lose Sean, Linda or me so they could join us 2-2.

You say she "manipulated" people. How? She was literally delightful to talk to. Even if she was faking it, she at least gave me SOME benefit of the doubt. I respect that. My mind is more then made up now.

He most assuredly manipulated me for most of the game, you weren't useful to him and got eliminated very quickly. Lindsey was very two faced to me and definitely to Linda

Discussion is fine. But in the end everyone will have their own reasons to vote for who they want. What I didn't like was "I beg you to vote for..." and that's why I said something. Let's at least keep this to a civil discussion rather than attacking people for having certain opinions.

That's what Sean said the night he got voted out T^T it was a joke, I didn't mean it that way hahaha. I was referring to how Lindsey was quick to order Gina to idol me out that night.

[Kim J]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

I can understand why they want to vote Lindsey but to me she's a true villain =/ I know the rest of you can't tell and I wish I could say what our conversations were like.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

This is simply incorrect, how can you say something like this when you got voted out almost instantly after the merge? Everybody who has talked with Gabe KNOWS how powerful he was/is and how much he actually worked to get to where he is now.

You're an asshole Lex. You dictated my fate after I literally gave EVERYTHING I had to get you to merge. Why the fuck did I even give up Cacique.

I say what I said based on proof. Gabes single mind wasn't what decided the fate of several people. Gabe wasn't some brilliant mastermind. He was a voter. He was a NORMAL GUY in this game. He did nothing special, and the fact that you pleaded by saying "Please vote Gabe..." is almost sad. You say "everyone who has talked to Gabe...", then he should've talked to more fucking people, shouldn't he?

[Kim J]

He most assuredly manipulated me for most of the game, you weren't useful to him and got eliminated very quickly. Lindsey was very two faced to me and definitely to Linda

Lindsey still TRIED to keep me safe, something you and Linda didn't do at all. And I didn't give up Cacique for her. And the same exact thing could be said about Linda/Gabe. Your arguement, yet again, is irrelevent and stupid.

[Lex]

You're an asshole Lex. You dictated my fate after I literally gave EVERYTHING I had to get you to merge. Why the fuck did I even give up Cacique.

Why do you keep bringing this up? I've told you so much that this was NOT my idea, and I did NOT want to go along with it.

I say what I said based on proof. Gabes single mind wasn't what decided the fate of several people. Gabe wasn't some brilliant mastermind. He was a voter. He was a NORMAL GUY in this game. He did nothing special, and the fact that you pleaded by saying "Please vote Gabe..." is almost sad. You say "everyone who has talked to Gabe...", then he should've talked to more fucking people, shouldn't he?

I didn't say the second line. Although I said the last line. FTC will be interesting regardless I hope what Lindsey says in regards to my questions explains what I'm talking about in this thread.

[Vecepia]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

I can understand why they want to vote Lindsey but to me she's a true villain =/ I know the rest of you can't tell and I wish I could say what our conversations were like.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

This is simply incorrect, how can you say something like this when you got voted out almost instantly after the merge? Everybody who has talked with Gabe KNOWS how powerful he was/is and how much he actually worked to get to where he is now.

You're an asshole Lex. You dictated my fate after I literally gave EVERYTHING I had to get you to merge. Why the fuck did I even give up Cacique.

I say what I said based on proof. Gabes single mind wasn't what decided the fate of several people. Gabe wasn't some brilliant mastermind. He was a voter. He was a NORMAL GUY in this game. He did nothing special, and the fact that you pleaded by saying "Please vote Gabe..." is almost sad. You say "everyone who has talked to Gabe...", then he should've talked to more fucking people, shouldn't he?

Lol you gave up Cacique because Sean outplayed you in all fairness.

[Kim P]

And Linda backstabbed Lindsey first (along with me, Kim J, and Frank) when she turned on the original Tamanaco Alliance.

[Kim J]

If you didn't want to go for it, then why'd you write my name down Lex? You and Linda literally decided my fate. Otherwise, we would've had votes.

[Sarah]

I definitely just see Gabe as someone who voted smart. I don't think he played smart. To me, there's a difference. Voting for every person who left is an accomplishment but we're rewarding people for playing the game. He didn't try to make moves. He never took risks. He did what would be easy. Lindsey took risks and TRIED her hardest to make big moves. I want to reward a gamer, not someone who just listened and never tried to play the social game with half of the jury.

[Kim J]

And Linda backstabbed Lindsey first (along with me, Kim J, and Frank) when she turned on the original Tamanaco Alliance.

GREAT point, I didn't even notice.

[Kim J]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

I can understand why they want to vote Lindsey but to me she's a true villain =/ I know the rest of you can't tell and I wish I could say what our conversations were like.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

This is simply incorrect, how can you say something like this when you got voted out almost instantly after the merge? Everybody who has talked with Gabe KNOWS how powerful he was/is and how much he actually worked to get to where he is now.

You're an asshole Lex. You dictated my fate after I literally gave EVERYTHING I had to get you to merge. Why the fuck did I even give up Cacique.

I say what I said based on proof. Gabes single mind wasn't what decided the fate of several people. Gabe wasn't some brilliant mastermind. He was a voter. He was a NORMAL GUY in this game. He did nothing special, and the fact that you pleaded by saying "Please vote Gabe..." is almost sad. You say "everyone who has talked to Gabe...", then he should've talked to more fucking people, shouldn't he?

Lol you gave up Cacique because Sean outplayed you in all fairness.

I agree. Lex isn't Sean though, is he?