Winner Discussion Thread

[Vecepia]

Read it again.

[Kim P]

Can confirm Kim P sent me 3 messages.

Yes but I'm not in the fucking Final Three am I?

And tbh the reason I never wanted to talk to you is because you were always a bitch. Plain and simple!

[Vecepia]

Can confirm Kim P sent me 3 messages.

Yes but I'm not in the fucking Final Three am I?

Hey man, I'm just saying that you can't accuse Gabe of not socializing with his enemies when you did the same.

[Kim P]

Can confirm Kim P sent me 3 messages.

Yes but I'm not in the fucking Final Three am I?

Hey man, I'm just saying that you can't accuse Gabe of not socializing with his enemies when you did the same.

Actually I can. As I said I'm not in the Final Three. One of my biggest flaws is not socializing with my enemies and if I was in the Final Three I'm sure that is what I would be criticized for.

[Vecepia]

I only ever really insulted Sarah because she hated me from the beginning and tried to fuck me with the swap. And Kim J I remember telling you that you were next after Frank. It was set in stone at that point.

[Kim J]

Can confirm Kim P sent me 3 messages.

Yes but I'm not in the fucking Final Three am I?

Hey man, I'm just saying that you can't accuse Gabe of not socializing with his enemies when you did the same.

You're not arguing for the winner, your arguing among each other. All I've heard is excuses, and no one can defend the fact that Gabe played a shitty-ass social game to the early-jurors like Kim and I

[Vecepia]

Can confirm Kim P sent me 3 messages.

Yes but I'm not in the fucking Final Three am I?

Hey man, I'm just saying that you can't accuse Gabe of not socializing with his enemies when you did the same.

Actually I can. As I said I'm not in the Final Three. One of my biggest flaws is not socializing with my enemies and if I was in the Final Three I'm sure that is what I would be criticized for.

Lindsey never talked to me . I don't hold that against her.

[Kim J]

I only ever really insulted Sarah because she hated me from the beginning and tried to fuck me with the swap. And Kim J I remember telling you that you were next after Frank. It was set in stone at that point.

You never told me that Vecepia. And even if you had, it doesn't defend anything. I have nothing against you though, so that's not my point. Were debating for the winner here guys, not defending out own shitty-ass games.

[Kim J]

You can hold that against her if you want Vee. It's an important part of survivor to be social. That's almost the entire point of the game.

[Vecepia]

I said something along the lines of they're thinking of voting you out, I like you so ill try to convince them otherwise. This was after you apologized for voting for me.
It's kind of not genuine to be social with someone you fully know you're going to vote out soon. Simply put, he had no use for either of you guys. It would be kind of a dick move to get to know you then vote you out the next day.

[Patricia]

Patty, if he wants ANY votes at the finale, then he should socialize with EVERYONE, REGARDLESS of their chances of staying or leaving.

It wouldn't hurt him to at least talk to me. I'm a juror, regardless of how little we talked, he should still give me a single benefit of the doubt and talk to me. If he doesn't talk to me, then he doesn't deserve my vote.

He also had NO say in me leaving, which infuriates me more that he still voted me without chatting with me. He was told what to do, and did it. The PERFECT goat. Linda's not the goat in this final 3, Gabe is.

A goat is someone who's disliked and dragged to the final 3. Gabe is neither of those things. Especially since he already has more than a few votes. You can't be a goat, and a potential threat to win at the same time. The two are mutually exclusive. I'm not saying that Gabe shouldn't have tried to talk to you, he should have, that's ONE mistake he made. Compared to the dozens, literally dozens of good things he did

This Final Tribal is turning into Gabon. Bob (Gabe) won simply because the majority of the jury were friends with him while Susie (Lindsey) the person who clearly played the better game lost by one vote.

Again, I couldn't disagree with this more. Again I make the Amazon comparison. Gabe as Rob C pretty much dictated the vote. He had a huge say in every decision and except for Lex voted out every single person in the merge. He made sure that he made the end, because if he didn't get rid of people from both sides, he wasn't making the end whereas Lindsey had other options in people like gina/kimp/sarah and Linda had Lex/Sean/Vee who would've loved to take her. Instead, Gabe got rid of all of them and put himself in that third spot. Nobody fought for their position like he did.

Lindsey is Jenna. Still made decisions, still well liked, and got a handful of immunities but despite everything you can't say that she controlled much of anything.

Lindsey's a great player and played a great game. Gabe imo played a better one. Anyone who says that Gabe is only getting votes from friends isn't reading the dozens and dozens of valid points about his game that those people are making.

[Kim J]

I said something along the lines of they're thinking of voting you out, I like you so ill try to convince them otherwise. This was after you apologized for voting for me.
It's kind of not genuine to be social with someone you fully know you're going to vote out soon. Simply put, he had no use for either of you guys. It would be kind of a dick move to get to know you then vote you out the next day.

Oh okay, this comes to mind now. It's been a loooooong time XP

I don't think of it being un-genuine. What if I had found that idol? Gabe's game was far from being set in stone. Also, who ended up finding that 3rd idol? I never found out?

[Vecepia]

Hmm,.well Sean had the merge idol and the 2 fakes. Gina had the Mariche one and I don't think anyone had the Tamanaco idol unless Linda has it which is unlikely.

[Kim J]

And Patty, I should've clarified. Gabe was a loyal player no doubt who had SOME input in the game, but ultimately, a LOT of the people voted out were voted out for being threatening. He wasn't "masterminding" this game, creating ways to vote different people out. He was just someone who was voting out threats along with everyone who agreed with his opinion. Plain and simple. The only difference I see between Lindsey and Gabe is that Lindsey played a better social game.

[Lex]

LINDSEY played an absolute KILLER social game in my eyes. The way she treated me is my only proof, and she treated me wonderfully. At merge, we talked an INSANE amount, and was straightforward with EVERYTHING. From what I saw, Gabe just simply had everything put on his lap.

I agree that Lindsey had a great social game as well, but I think most people would agree with me that I had the best social game in the entire... well.. game. And look where it landed me. If you're too likable, you're gone. If you're too hated, you're gone. Lindsey was fine socially, but she backstabbed Linda hard and she manipulated me and was very deceptive throughout the entire game, which I absolutely detest. Gabe talked to the people he needed to, he didn't talk to the people he didn't need to, he knew what to say to avoid being perceived as a threat and he knew how to avoid the targets, everything was put in his lap because he pushed it there, he put himself in a power position to vote everybody out, and then he did do that. I still stand by my argument Gabe is the best player of this season, he had me duped and apparently he has you duped as well. (no offense)

re: KimJ Gabe was NOT told what to do! How do you even get that impression you weren't even there? He had major influence on every decision that was supposedly 'made for him'. Besides, look at the people who apparently made those decisions. Sean, Me, Lex to an extent.. all gone.

^ That. Also I made a lot of decisions, but I didn't want to seem like I was making the decisions, so I indirectly made decisions without making it look like I made decisions because I was hoping Sean/you/Linda would get targeted first. Obviously that didn't work out. If you remember, nearly every vote I made a summary of who to vote, pros and cons to voting, why we should vote for so-and-so and why we shouldn't vote for so-and-so. And I pushed the vote in one direction, I agreed with the vote if I found it solid and I argued against it (but not too much) if I didn't like the vote lol.

You guys were all THREATS. That's why you left. He didn't "scheme", it was an easy vote to make. He want's to win, so he'll vote out people ahead of him in order to get there. So would everyone else that voted against you guys. It's basic survivor strategy.

He played the game in such a great manner that he was not deemed as a threat, he played so well he got 0 votes and made it to the end, none of us did that. You're acting like he really is clueless. He's not.

[Kim J]

You guys were all THREATS. That's why you left. He didn't "scheme", it was an easy vote to make. He want's to win, so he'll vote out people ahead of him in order to get there. So would everyone else that voted against you guys. It's basic survivor strategy.

He played the game in such a great manner that he was not deemed as a threat, he played so well he got 0 votes and made it to the end, none of us did that. You're acting like he really is clueless. He's not.

You talk about Gabe like he's a perfect "in between" player, but how was Lindsey not the same way?

[Kim J]

I apologize in advance for my terrible English.

[Lex]

Gabe actually made several decisions, Since he and I were flipping, he was the one who actually decided on flipping back to oust Vecepia. I was considering it, but he came to me with the entire plan and was like "Here's how we do it".

And then, at F7, he made the decision to blindside me because if I was still around, i'd be getting the credit for the moves he made because of our relationship up to that point.

Gabe is a legit mastermind. He tricked everybody here and he made every decision without making it seem like he made it.

Patty, if he wants ANY votes at the finale, then he should socialize with EVERYONE, REGARDLESS of their chances of staying or leaving.

It wouldn't hurt him to at least talk to me. I'm a juror, regardless of how little we talked, he should still give me a single benefit of the doubt and talk to me. If he doesn't talk to me, then he doesn't deserve my vote.

But this is what I did, and look what happened to me, I got eliminated because everybody liked me too much and I was deemed a threat. You can't viably do this unless you can win every single immunity challenge like Ozzy or something. I can assure you though he talked with me, a LOT.

This Final Tribal is turning into Gabon. Bob (Gabe) won simply because the majority of the jury were friends with him while Susie (Lindsey) the person who clearly played the better game lost by one vote.

It's the other way around IMO. Gabe voted Pat out, Sean out, he almost voted me out, and yet we are all STILL arguing for his win because we KNOW that he is the superior player. Lindsey is friends with you, Sarah, and Kim J. and you 3 are only voting for Lindsey because you're friends with him, his strategy was one-dimensional.

[Kim P]

Lex how can you expect the people Gabe "Didn't need talk to" to vote for him?

[Kim J]

Lex, alienating a player is literally the exact opposite of having a social game.

Sure, if you socialize TOO much with everyone your out, but he didn't even talk to me except to tell me that he will eventually talk to me. Eventually never happened.