Winner Discussion Thread

[Vecepia]

Alright, its not fair to say Gabe let others make his decisions. He certainly did fine in his own after his biggest allies left in a row.

[Kim J]

I definitely just see Gabe as someone who voted smart. I don't think he played smart. To me, there's a difference. Voting for every person who left is an accomplishment but we're rewarding people for playing the game. He didn't try to make moves. He never took risks. He did what would be easy. Lindsey took risks and TRIED her hardest to make big moves. I want to reward a gamer, not someone who just listened and never tried to play the social game with half of the jury.

Bam. Perfect way to put it.

[Kim J]

Alright, its not fair to say Gabe let others make his decisions. He certainly did fine in his own after his biggest allies left in a row.

HE was part of the reason why his "biggest allies" left in a row.

[Kim P]

Alright, its not fair to say Gabe let others make his decisions. He certainly did fine in his own after his biggest allies left in a row.

HE was part of the reason why his "biggest allies" left in a row.

Which just shows, that when he actually did start to play he was a little rat.

[Vecepia]

Well it looks as though me, Lex, Sean and Pat seem to value Gabe's strategy more and we were a part of the alliance of 6 that collapsed because all of us were threats in some way. You guys value Lindsey's loyalty and social game more just because she had some convos w/ you.

I can understand why they want to vote Lindsey but to me she's a true villain =/ I know the rest of you can't tell and I wish I could say what our conversations were like.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

This is simply incorrect, how can you say something like this when you got voted out almost instantly after the merge? Everybody who has talked with Gabe KNOWS how powerful he was/is and how much he actually worked to get to where he is now.

You're an asshole Lex. You dictated my fate after I literally gave EVERYTHING I had to get you to merge. Why the fuck did I even give up Cacique.

I say what I said based on proof. Gabes single mind wasn't what decided the fate of several people. Gabe wasn't some brilliant mastermind. He was a voter. He was a NORMAL GUY in this game. He did nothing special, and the fact that you pleaded by saying "Please vote Gabe..." is almost sad. You say "everyone who has talked to Gabe...", then he should've talked to more fucking people, shouldn't he?

Lol you gave up Cacique because Sean outplayed you in all fairness.

I agree. Lex isn't Sean though, is he?

He still voted Frank out which led to your demise. I know you don't like that you did stuff for Lex and he didn't return the favor, but you were useless to him and Linda at that point.

[Sarah]

Vee, I did vote Lindsey at the tribal you left.

[Kim J]

I'm just happy he rightfully got voted out in the end.

[Lex]

And Linda backstabbed Lindsey first (along with me, Kim J, and Frank) when she turned on the original Tamanaco Alliance.

There's a larger story behind this, we wouldn't have voted Frank out if there wasn't a reason behind it, we didn't simply turn on you guys that was never our intention, Sean played two fake idols and Frank misplayed a tribal by acting like he was joining their side causing Sean not to play his fake idol causing us not to know it was a fake idol causing Frank and I to be seemingly the only two people vulnerable at the next tribal causing his blindside. I spoke to Kim J about the mistakes he made that led to that and believe me, it was not Linda's idea to blindside Frank, it was mine.

He most assuredly manipulated me for most of the game, you weren't useful to him and got eliminated very quickly. Lindsey was very two faced to me and definitely to Linda

Lindsey still TRIED to keep me safe, something you and Linda didn't do at all. And I didn't give up Cacique for her. And the same exact thing could be said about Linda/Gabe. Your arguement, yet again, is irrelevent and stupid.

*argument
*irrelevant

Linda and I wanted to keep you safe, I can't stress how much Linda advocated for you after we blindsided Frank <____<. I respect your guys' arguments and of course I'll think about it tonight, believe me I've had a lot of sleepless nights because of this game. That is why I am supporting Gabe so much...

Linda/Gabe didn't manipulate anybody like Lindsey did to Linda and I. To me it seemed like Gabe was pretty honest about his feelings, and Lindsey lied directly to me and others multiple times, of course I expect that from him because he was in a different alliance but I wouldn't stress the word "manipulated" if it wasn't true.

If you didn't want to go for it, then why'd you write my name down Lex? You and Linda literally decided my fate. Otherwise, we would've had votes.

Even if I hadn't wrote your name down, it would have been 7-2-2 plus whoever I voted for. How can you not accept why Linda and I didn't tell you about the Frank blindside? And it wasn't our fault the other 6 players in our alliance wanted to vote out the Caciques first, we're only 2 people, we don't control the game like you might think we do.

Linda voted me out and I'm not bitter for it, she decided my fate but I'm not complaining about it...

Lol you gave up Cacique because Sean outplayed you in all fairness.

I agree. Lex isn't Sean though, is he?

It wasn't because Sean outplayed her, it was because Frank was being stubborn.

I definitely just see Gabe as someone who voted smart. I don't think he played smart. To me, there's a difference. Voting for every person who left is an accomplishment but we're rewarding people for playing the game. He didn't try to make moves. He never took risks. He did what would be easy. Lindsey took risks and TRIED her hardest to make big moves. I want to reward a gamer, not someone who just listened and never tried to play the social game with half of the jury.

I don't know if I'm exaggerating what he did or not, I don't think he's as dumb as he seems or he would have stayed with one alliance the entire game.
How can you say he didn't make moves? He made nearly every move in the game along with Pat, the Kim P. vote and Vecepia vote were the 2 largest moves made after the majority voted off Kim J and Clarence. Pat and Gabe were adaptable.

[Sarah]

You know you've lost when you have to stoop to correcting spelling in an argument.

[Vecepia]

because you knew it might've been her or you.
How is Gabe a rat for voting his allies out. All of them would've done the same he just made the move first.

[Kim P]

It wasn't the Frank move. It was the fact that Linda abandoned as all once the merge hit and joined the people who had just voted out a member of Tamanaco's Core 5 that SHE was apart of.

[Patricia]

I don't know about you but manipulation is heinous in my eyes, he fooled everybody and that's a legitimate tactic, it's called the Andy Kaufman strategy.
http://www.funny115.com/archives/kaufman.html

Great article, but perhaps the funniest thing is:

"Mario, do you think you could win Survivor?"

A quick answer to that would be, hell yeah. Of course I think I can win. But then again, everybody thinks they can win, so who gives a crap what I think? But it's only common sense that you would have to think you can win before you go on a show like this. Otherwise, why are you doing it? Okay, if you are Gabriel Cade, maybe your answer is a little different.

lol.

Oh and for the record, no one knew anything about the second merge TC. It was Sarah before immunity then Clarence, I heard about a Sean blindside, we suggested Kim P because she was a floater. It could've been Lindsey for flipping... I changed my vote like 4 times.

I don't know the exact 8 who voted for clarence, but Gabe and I were 100% confident that he was going home. We made it happen.

If Gabe had shown an effort, I might vote differently. In the end of the day, Gabe simply didn't try. He followed what Patty/Sean/Lex/You told him. The one thing I will give him is that he had enough brains to backstab some of you guys. But it's not like he did that alone. He had Lindsey/other voters with him in order to do that, and that wasn't even necessarily coordinated by Gabe either. He was just a part of it.

Furthermore, he didn't talk to half of this cast. It's more then enough reason to decide my vote about him. I have more conflictions about Linda/Lindsey then I do about Gabe/Lindsey... that's sad, isn't it.

I didn't want to say this but you're making statements you have absolutely no basis of justification for. You knew Gabe for exactly 1 round. You can NOT make statements like "He didn't try" or "he followed what people told him". You've made that assumption for whatever reason and you're toting it as fact when you're flat out wrong. Even when the people in question have said "Gabe did x, x and x" you're like "NU UH! HE DID NOTHING LINDSEY IS THE ONLY PERSON WHO DESERVES TO WIN". We recognize that Lindsey played a great game, but you're so big-headed that you refuse to admit that Gabe did anything because it doesn't fit the way you want to view Lindsey.

NO ONE has argued with the fact that Gabe alienated SEVERAL people with an idol in play. He's incredibly lucky that one of us 3 didn't find it, because this final 3 would be VERY different had that been the case.

Idols stagnate strategy. If any of the people HAD an idol, it would've come out or they would've acted differently. At least 8 people were sure you didn't have an idol. At least 8 people were sure Clarence didn't have an idol. And Kimp was a blindside. Just because there was a chance an idol could be played doesn't mean you can berate people for not assuming you absolutely had one. It's not lucky that you guys didn't find one. We all reasonably assumed you didn't for various reasons. It would've been LUCKY for you if you had found one, not the other way around.

[Kim J]

Lex I stated earlier to forgive me for my English mistakes, so...

No one has managed to defend the fact that Gabe ignored half of the people here today.

[Lex]

I definitely just see Gabe as someone who voted smart. I don't think he played smart. To me, there's a difference. Voting for every person who left is an accomplishment but we're rewarding people for playing the game. He didn't try to make moves. He never took risks. He did what would be easy. Lindsey took risks and TRIED her hardest to make big moves. I want to reward a gamer, not someone who just listened and never tried to play the social game with half of the jury.

Bam. Perfect way to put it.

Did Lindsey play smart? To me he played straightforward.

Alright, its not fair to say Gabe let others make his decisions. He certainly did fine in his own after his biggest allies left in a row.

HE was part of the reason why his "biggest allies" left in a row.

There's a point in the game. where your allies become your enemies.

You know you've lost when you have to stoop to correcting spelling in an argument.

It's silly that he is calling my argument stupid and irrelevant when he can't spell. It was you and Kim P. that began calling me derogatory names (honey) (widdle Lex) and Kim J. that began insulting what I was saying by calling it stupid and irrelevant. I can't believe you're even making this accusation, it's hypocritical...

[Sarah]

because you knew it might've been her or you.
How is Gabe a rat for voting his allies out. All of them would've done the same he just made the move first.

I would lie and say I knew you were being voted out but then I remembered I'm not in the game and I don't need to impress you. xoxo

[Kim J]

I'm making accusations based on proof Patty. Gabe ignored half of this jury. Why should that be rewarded?

[Sarah]

Honey is derogatory? I'd hate to know what would happen if I called you Lexicunt. (Get it because you're correcting spelling and grammar)

[Patricia]

You know you've lost when you have to stoop to correcting spelling in an argument.

You know you've lost when you ignore several other points and only rebut they're (admittedly childish) correction of spelling.

[Kim J]

There's a point in the game. where your allies become your enemies..

And Lindsey deduced that you and Linda were enemies more then allies. You consider that "manipulation", in the end, it's no different then Gabe.

Oh wait, there is a difference between Lindsey and Gabe! Lindsey actually GAVE A SHIT about this game.

[Lex]

Lex I stated earlier to forgive me for my English mistakes, so...

No one has managed to defend the fact that Gabe ignored half of the people here today.

I don't deny that, but to me Gabe's strategy is just superior to Lindsey's even though his social game wasn't as good.

Read what Patricia said, it clarifies a lot of good points. I should go to bed, peace