Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:56:22 am

Kim P wrote:
Lindsey wrote:Wow. Thank you so much Kimmy. I'm obviously ready for any questions you have should you want to ask.

Well Linda won't even respond so Mama Kim wanted me to know where you got your hat icon_lol


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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim J » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:57:53 am

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Kim P wrote:
Lindsey wrote:Wow. Thank you so much Kimmy. I'm obviously ready for any questions you have should you want to ask.

Well Linda won't even respond so Mama Kim wanted me to know where you got your hat icon_lol


I made it myself using Rupert's sewing machine from Pearl Islands. icon_smile

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim P » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:58:10 am

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Kim P wrote:
Lindsey wrote:Wow. Thank you so much Kimmy. I'm obviously ready for any questions you have should you want to ask.

Well Linda won't even respond so Mama Kim wanted me to know where you got your hat icon_lol


I made it myself using Rupert's sewing machine from Pearl Islands. icon_smile

Fantastic! Great ingenuity!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:58:39 am

Wow.

Gabe- Gabe, Gabe, Gabe. I really don't know what to say. We were actually pretty close on NuMariche which I don't think a lot of people actually knew. To be honest I was actually quite hurt when you voted for me. I know I wasn't constantly at everything you said like I did with Patty and Linda, but to be honest you hurt me the most. I knew Linda was a crazy bitch and I was doubtful of Patty, but I really thought you were solid. But enough of that I'm out, your not, lets get down to business. After my vote off it was clear you/Patty/Lex/Sean/Vecepia/Linda were the dominant Six. And every single vote-off you and Patricia were in a great position, but as Sarah said in Ponderosa, having to fight is different than having the cards fall into your lap. You and Lindsey are actually very similar. You both did questionable things. The moves you two made were pretty ruthless and cutthroat. One difference is that Lindsey didn't use any of those moves on me which of course goes into account. The other difference is that Lindsey was a fighter, and she owned her moves. You however hid behind Patricia's fat ass like a little.... Bitch. You did vote off Patricia at Final Seven, which I can respect, but... thats all? I feel like the problem with you is that you feel like you need to be dominated. I'm guessing your a bottom? Hate to break it to you, but bottoms can be independent. I myself am versatile, maybe a little more bottom, and can proudly say that I am an independent, complex individual . With that being said I would like you to defend your game. But I also have another question I want you to answer. Pretend that you, Linda, and Lindsey had never been picked for this game. I want you to pick three of us jurors who you felt played the best game and would deserve to make Final 3 and why they deserve it. I then want you to tell me three other jurors who you feel played the worst games and why. Okay I've had enough of you. Nevermind. I wanted to know why I was targeted before Lindsey/Gina/Sarah


The fact that Lindsey didn't make any moves on you is the reason she shouldn't be the one to get your vote, in my eyes. She's admitted that she was blindsided at your vote, and as it's been said time and time again, we wanted out threats. I think people were a bit blind that you were a big threat, but I knew and I'm not sure if Patricia did either, but I knew that you were not someone to be messed with. Let's face it. We talked a ton on NuMariche, and from our talks, I knew that you had an excellent brain on you.

The fact that you think I need to be dominated is sort of silly. I'll be the first to admit that I have played games like this before, which is something I never told people in fear that it'd be used against me, and in any other game, I'm taken out because I'm too much of a leader. I had to do something different this time so of course I'm going to use someone as my shield. Is that not smart? To let someone else do your dirty work while you go unscathed? I had power while I was with Patricia, something that Lindsey didn't during your vote off. I had power during everyone's vote off, which I can say when the other two can't.

If Lindsey, Linda, and I weren't in this game, I'd say that the final 3 would have been Kim Johnson, Lex, and Sean. Kim Johnson was obviously someone that had a lot of smarts and a lot of courage, from giving up the Cacique title, still remaining safe without immunity, and was completely honest and nice to everyone. Lex was someone that NO ONE disliked, and was incredibly well spoken and smart. He knew exactly what was going on and what should happen. Sean was someone who had a ton of wit, and while he wasn't as well spoken as Lex, he still knew what to say and who to say it to to keep him into the game until the final 6.

I don't know if you want me to answer the 2nd part... but this answer is already pretty long, so I won't.

Why weren't you targeted before Lindsey/Gina/Sarah? That's pretty easy. I had faith that Lindsey was really close to Gina, and Gina really liked me. I figured they were much bigger advocates to keep me in the game than you, since our conversations sort of disappeared when the merge hit. Sarah was someone that made quite the name for herself by being very blunt with people and making quite a few mad. I knew she was always someone you could turn to as a target.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:59:36 am

Kim P satisfied, any questions for Lindsey?
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 15, 2013 2:59:39 am

Kim P wrote:
Lindsey wrote:
Kim P wrote:
Lindsey wrote:Wow. Thank you so much Kimmy. I'm obviously ready for any questions you have should you want to ask.

Well Linda won't even respond so Mama Kim wanted me to know where you got your hat icon_lol


I made it myself using Rupert's sewing machine from Pearl Islands. icon_smile

Fantastic! Great ingenuity!


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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim P » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:02:05 am

Okay Gabe I respect your answer. I just feel you should've got to know at least half of the jury. I think its going to hurt you in the long run. And good luck to you Linda! I'm done. Kimmy out betches!
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:02:16 am

Okay she's taking too long. If she has any further qeustions feel free to answer them finalists.

Next Up: Vecepia.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Vecepia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:03:33 am

Hey guys. First of all, congrats. You certainly made it farther than I did. I want to say that I won't be bitter and I won't hold it against some of you guys if you lied to me during the game. Don't feel like you have to shorten your answers. I don't want 3 pages but I want you to answer my questions thoroughly. I'll try to keep these questions short and concise.

To Linda: Many jurors believe you are the lesser of the three in this final 3. Convince the jury that you made your own moves, and weren't strung along because you weren't threatening. If you can convince me that you did more than just be emotional for the latter part of the game, you certainly have a chance at my vote. Also, tell me 1 flaw in your 2 opponents and 1 thing you did better than them.

To Lindsey: I haven't talked to you much so I don't know much about how you got here. What was your biggest risk you took in this game? Also, tell me 1 flaw in your 2 opponents and 1 thing you did better than them. You are probably the biggest mystery for me in this vote.
Convince me that you're not just here because Sean, Pat, Lex and Gina were bigger threats than you. I feel like you were kinda disposable from f11-f9. You certainly are the luckiest one of the final three, no offense. If things didn't change at F9 like you said I can't imagine you being here. One final thing, I always felt like you were out of the loop during the early merge. At the end of TC you always seemed to have a WTF reaction. Explain why you are worthy of my vote when you were lost strategically in the early merge.

And finally Gabe: You were one of my biggest allies in this game from Day 1 besides Sean. What was the reason for flipping to vote me out. Don't lie because I've heard Pats reasoning as well. Same question as Lindsey and Linda, tell me 1 flaw in your 2 opponents and 1 thing you did better than them.
I also want you to address how your social game with people you didn't need was lacking. Many people felt you just didn't care about them and you felt that they were disposable and no use to you. Kudos to you though. You managed to only accrue 1 vote throughout this game. From day 1 on I always got these shady vibe from you. You seemed like you were nice and trustworthy but I always felt like you were up to no good.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:03:40 am

I think I did get to know the jury. We got to know each other very well. I talked to Clarence on NuMariche. Vecepia was someone that I didn't see much use in talking to because I could just talk to Sean instead.

I'm really hoping that it doesn't hurt me, but I do feel it's justified.

It sucks that people are rating a social game that nearly cost people their own game over someone who didn't put as much effort into building great relationships in order to keep himself safe and not risk leaving.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Vecepia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:04:30 am

oh and by lesser of the three, I don't mean goat or anything. I just mean that I felt that Gabe and Lindsey just played a little better than you.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim J » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:06:19 am

Gabriel wrote:I think I did get to know the jury.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Clarence » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:07:06 am

Gabriel wrote:I think I did get to know the jury. We got to know each other very well. I talked to Clarence on NuMariche. Vecepia was someone that I didn't see much use in talking to because I could just talk to Sean instead.

I'm really hoping that it doesn't hurt me, but I do feel it's justified.

It sucks that people are rating a social game that nearly cost people their own game over someone who didn't put as much effort into building great relationships in order to keep himself safe and not risk leaving.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Lindsey » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:07:24 am

Okay hold on I am two minutes from my house and then I will be holding things up no longer.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Vecepia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:08:23 am

Lindsey wrote:Okay hold on I am two minutes from my house and then I will be holding things up no longer.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:09:12 am

You were one of my biggest allies in this game from Day 1 besides Sean. What was the reason for flipping to vote me out. Don't lie because I've heard Pats reasoning as well. Same question as Lindsey and Linda, tell me 1 flaw in your 2 opponents and 1 thing you did better than them.
I also want you to address how your social game with people you didn't need was lacking. Many people felt you just didn't care about them and you felt that they were disposable and no use to you. Kudos to you though. You managed to only accrue 1 vote throughout this game. From day 1 on I always got these shady vibe from you. You seemed like you were nice and trustworthy but I always felt like you were up to no good.


Was I really? That's actually quite surprising since our conversations didn't go really far or in depth too much. I do respect that you had that loyal to me. As I might've said in my opening statement, I saw you as the body of the snake, with Sean as the head. I didn't know that you had such loyalty to me or else I might've considered doing something different. But my reason to vote you out, which I feel like people assume that Patricia and I did every move together for the same reason (which isn't true), was because of the body of the snake thing. You were an advocate to keep Sean, and I knew that two people to keep Sean safe was a lot more dangerous than one.

One flaw in Lindsey's game was her complete indecisiveness. As you guys have saw in tribal councils, she had a knack for exploding and freaking out before tribal council, which nearly got her voted off at one point and put her neck on the line multiple times. If she'd freaked out and made the wrong move, then she could easily be sitting in the jury now.

Linda's game was something I don't know too much about. She was a very emotional player, and I think that might've been her weakness. If it hadn't been for people like me, who let her vent to me, I think she could've definitely done something she'd regret in this game and have her end up on the jury. After Lex was voted out, she even contemplated quitting because she was so upset over not being told. I was the one that got her head on straight.

As for the social game, I've said it time and time again. I am a very emotional person and there was no way that I was going to let my emotions get the best of me. One of the main reasons people get voted out is because they play with their heart, and I was making sure not to do that.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Gabriel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:10:48 am

Kim J wrote:
Gabriel wrote:I think I did get to know the jury.

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Kim, how close was I supposed to get to you in the one round that we were able to get to know each other? I already knew going into the merge that you'd be targeted, and after talking to you, it was clear to me that I couldn't risk messing anything like that up.

Sure, there were people I didn't talk to as much in this game, but I've already said why.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Vecepia » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:12:04 am

Gabriel wrote:
You were one of my biggest allies in this game from Day 1 besides Sean. What was the reason for flipping to vote me out. Don't lie because I've heard Pats reasoning as well. Same question as Lindsey and Linda, tell me 1 flaw in your 2 opponents and 1 thing you did better than them.
I also want you to address how your social game with people you didn't need was lacking. Many people felt you just didn't care about them and you felt that they were disposable and no use to you. Kudos to you though. You managed to only accrue 1 vote throughout this game. From day 1 on I always got these shady vibe from you. You seemed like you were nice and trustworthy but I always felt like you were up to no good.


Was I really? That's actually quite surprising since our conversations didn't go really far or in depth too much. I do respect that you had that loyal to me. As I might've said in my opening statement, I saw you as the body of the snake, with Sean as the head. I didn't know that you had such loyalty to me or else I might've considered doing something different. But my reason to vote you out, which I feel like people assume that Patricia and I did every move together for the same reason (which isn't true), was because of the body of the snake thing. You were an advocate to keep Sean, and I knew that two people to keep Sean safe was a lot more dangerous than one.




Well, you weren't too much of a talker so I just thought you would go along with the majority. I only advocated for Sean during the first vote because I didn't want my biggest ally gone Day 1. I had no intentions of bringing him to the end, which I decided very long ago.
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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Kim J » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:13:07 am

Vecepia wrote:I also want you to address how your social game with people you didn't need was lacking. Many people felt you just didn't care about them and you felt that they were disposable and no use to you. Kudos to you though. You managed to only accrue 1 vote throughout this game. From day 1 on I always got these shady vibe from you. You seemed like you were nice and trustworthy but I always felt like you were up to no good.

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Re: Day 32 - Final Tribal Council

Postby Linda » Mon Jul 15, 2013 3:13:13 am

Ok, moves I made "without being strung along"

1. The Frank vote. He was one of my main allies the entire game, loyal to me, and yet still too much of a wildcard/threat/nutcase to keep around. I was the one who had the power to make our new 4 person alliance, not Lex.

2. The early merge I wasn't strung along, but wasn't playing as hard due to work I had outside the game.

3. Your vote out I had come up with the plan B I had wanted to implement, which would have had us 4 vote out Gina. If you guys had listened to me, it may very well be you here at Final 3 Vecepia, not in 9th place.

4. There were lots of discussion in terms of getting Patricia and Sarah out the double boot. I don't think anyone was strung along(with the slight possibility of Gabe) but just something that was guaranteed to happen. First conversation to have it with was with Gina, and I brought it up to others, while others brought it up to me.

5. I first went to Gina and Lindsey to try and get Sean out at 6, before it being brought up with Lex(didn't want to risk him getting pissed and going back to Sean with the information).

And finally, I had centered in at Gabe/Lindsey as my ideal Final 3 back at Final 8. You will see this in my confessional, though Gabe was the one who brought up the "proposal" at first, which did disappoint me :P

Gabe
-Flaw: Social game. Didn't speak very often to a large number of people
-Better 1: Activity. I was here, even if I was unable to do much, during my working days, where he was just gone for most of the F12 and F11 rounds, as well as potentially the two nuMariche rounds(going by what Clarence said)
-Better 2: Social game: I think everyone on the jury can at least say they knew me, whether they liked it or not

Lindsey
-Flaw: Impulses. She would try to make moves very last minute, things that wouldn't work out, do to panic attacks.
-Better 1: When I did panic, it didn't affect any future votes. I didn't try to vote Lindsey off at Final 10 because I felt betrayed by her, for instance
-Better 2: I wasn't targeted. You could argue that it may be because I wasn't seen as a threat, but as seen by yours(no offense) and Kim P's vote offs, people were very willing to vote off those seen as "followers" in the game.
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