Episode 11

5th Place, 8th Juror

Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:43:25 pm

Jeff Probst wrote:Do you think Sean will want to boot Sarah?

Yesterday before the plans it seemed to be, You/Sean/Linda Pat/Gabriel and Gina/Lindsey with Sarah having voted with you/linda/sean at the last Council. is that all right? I'm not totally sure it's so damned confusing lex!

Either way, Sean claims that he has Sarah with you 3 making it a 4some, but you aren't convinced, correct? You guys are talking to Lindsey/Gina to make sure that they would be open to booting Gabriel/Patricia.

Now, Lindsey and Gina want you to vote out Sarah before they consider voting out Patricia, correct? Do you trust that if you voted out Sarah that they would indeed vote out Patricia next?



Sean doesn't want to boot Sarah yet, but both Linda and I do because she's untrustworthy and she's already shown she's untrustworthy (by voting Lindsey last tribal). She didn't vote "with us", she voted to save herself from being eliminated, EVEN THOUGH her allies (Lindsey, Gina) had created a plan to save her. If she had voted with her allies she would have been saved anyway, but instead she flipped because she decided to do what SHE thought was best for HERSELF which almost screwed over her ally.

I'm not convinced he has Sarah, just awhile ago she admitted to trying to gun for him. :/ And she doesn't seem like a trustworthy person because of what I stated above & because she keeps posting a lot of dumb things (such as insults, calling names, posts things in all caps on the tribal forum) leading me to believe she *might* be, well.. immature. And therefore not trustworthy.

Yes, I do trust them to do so, at the moment at least.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:44:17 pm

Mia Galeotalanza wrote:
Lex wrote:Lindsey/Gina want to vote off Sarah first, then Patricia, which I'm perfectly fine with.


This.



This is what I wanted to do even BEFORE we talked with them, so after they suggested it I said "sure why not".
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Mia Galeotalanza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:47:34 pm

Okay, I need you to take me through your logic on this, then. So you've described Sarah as untrustworthy, and Pat as a threat. Take me through your logic on this: Is it better to get rid of someone who is wishy-washy or untrustworthy first, or better to get rid of a threat first?

Basically, what will a wishy-washy player do with one extra round in the game, and what will a threat do with one extra round in the game?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:18:08 pm

If we vote off Pat first Gabe might not want to vote with us afterward if we don't seem trustworthy, he and Pat probably want to blindside Sean at the second vote today and it's them or us, which he'll understand - but if we blindside Pat one round earlier then we have to he won't like it for certain.

And Sarah's motivation level for challenges > 9000.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Mia Galeotalanza » Mon Jul 08, 2013 10:44:17 pm

Lex wrote:If we vote off Pat first Gabe might not want to vote with us afterward if we don't seem trustworthy, he and Pat probably want to blindside Sean at the second vote today and it's them or us, which he'll understand - but if we blindside Pat one round earlier then we have to he won't like it for certain.

And Sarah's motivation level for challenges > 9000.


Okay, this isn't making sense to me.

Are you expecting your partnership with Gabe to ONLY work if Sarah goes first, and then he'll help you vote for Pat after Sarah leaves?

If Gabe would be mad if you voted for Patricia first, what will stop him from being mad about voting for her after? In fact, what reason would he have to vote for Patricia over, let's say, Sean, like you mentioned?

Basically what I'm asking is if you're throwing your eggs in the Gabe basket at this point?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:45:06 pm

I don't expect Gabe to vote for Pat. I'm positive he and Pat want to blindside Sean or Linda at the second vote tonight, and then join up with me & whoever's left (I'm tight with Gabe) and vote out Gina/Lindsey. This way, it will be 2:2 at the F4 - me, Sean/Linda, Gabe and Pat. I don't think they will be satisfied going into F5 2:3 (them vs Sean, Linda and I) so I think they will want to make it even.

I said to Sean & Linda that the second vote would be the last opportunity to successfully pull a blindside, so Gabe/Pat will probably try to. So we decided to blindside Pat instead because she's a threat, and I+Sean are tight with Gabe. If we don't blindside Pat/Gabe, we will probably be blindsided.

And if we blindside Pat the first vote, we risk Sarah winning immunity the second vote, AND the numbers might be 3:3:1 if Sarah joins Lindsey/Gina again, which she probably will since she is on the bottom with us. Which gives all the power to Gabe, and he will be apprehensive to join us since he may think we were lying when we tried to bring him and Pat in. However if we blindside Pat at the 2nd tribal, I think he will know in our minds it was them or us since he is likely planning a blindside at 2nd tribal council with Pat as well, so it is 2:2 at F4 assuming Lindsey/Gina are voted off next.

I don't expect Gabe to vote Pat tonight at 2nd vote, I'm banking on the fact Linsey/Gina want to vote her off because she is a threat (she was voted most likely to win too...)

None of us were angry at him for blindsiding Vecepia, we understand why he did it. So I'm hoping he will understand why Patricia is getting blindsided tonight (assuming everything goes to plan)

One other thing, I don't know if it is intentional but some hosts are asking questions people can infer information from (e.g. asking Diane and then Tom if they felt they were safe after I said the vote would probably be Diane --> Tom), I don't want to complain about it but to me a lot of questions are influenced by everyone's confessionals which might reveal stuff (two idols for example, even though they weren't real it was still something we had planned to keep quiet after hitting merge).
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:47:03 pm

I typed that on a mobile :p so I hope it makes sense, it's harder to scroll up/down/read things on a mobile.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:53:22 pm

If Gabe doesn't want to join us 3 after Pat blindside (I think I can convince him to join us) then the numbers will be 3:3 which isn't so bad compared to getting outnumbered.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Jeff Probst » Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:57:32 pm

I'll address your last points before moving on to your earlier ones.

For one thing, and I was just bringing this up in Lindsey's confessional... We can't ask anything that would reveal something you don't know. However, we will ask things that might make you think about how the game is playing out currently.

Basically, we want to know if players are making moves that seem illogical to us, we want to know what their logic behind the moves are. We want everyone to explain the best they can why they are doing the things they are doing. In order for us to do that we have to ask about things that you have told us... we cannot ask you about something that you haven't yourself figured out yet.

We don't know everything, we have a general idea of where everyone is, but we definitely don't know what everyone is thinking, but we'd like to.

What you've just typed up is exactly what I was personally looking for, I wanted to know why you were so insistant on this particular boot order because it didn't make sense until you've just explained it. Now I see what your plans are and why you are making the moves you are making.

IF players infer things from our questions, that's not something we can control and frankly it's not something I'm intending. I want people to think, sure, but I don't want people to read so far into a question that I've asked that they change their whole gameplan.

ETA: Also, most of the time pre-merge since there were so many contestants we copy and pasted the exact same question to every contestant.
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:28:01 am

That's good to know, thanks for explaining. I didn't say as much this confessional as I did in #9 or any other confessional because it was rushed or I typed it on a mobile.


I'm very happy with my position now though, I'm not a target since nobody is mad at me and I'm not perceived as a major threat but I'm not UTR either. :) And everyone (except maybe Sarah) likes me because I'm trustworthy/nice. Everything going to plan... did I cue my evil laugh already? Whatever I'll cue it again.

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Re: Episode 11

Postby Mia Galeotalanza » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:29:13 am

Sounds like you're banking on a lot of potential deals and partnerships to get to the end. How do you make sure these people stay true to their word, and what happens if they don't? Is there a backup plan?
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Re: Episode 11

Postby Lex » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:33:05 am

Doesn't everyone? Sean, Linda and I are all locked tight now because of how much we've gone through (especially Linda and I) and there's literally no reason for any of us to defect to the other alliance, that would be a dumb move because we'd be on the bottom if we defected, right now we're pretty much a power group.


The only guy I'm not completely certain about is Gabriel since we will be blindsiding Patricia without him knowing, but I'm very sure he will join us because I'm offering to take him to the end, and him and I are tight as well.
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